for the Investment Edge
You are not logged in.
Oh, and many expected an attack on Iran years ago.
We could still wait years before seeing one.
But every year we wait the higher the probability of something happening, presuming that the Iranians don't crumble in the face of sanctions. You'd think that the Russians and Chinese, both of who lose if Iran is attacked, would be reading them the riot act in private. If these Iranian allies stand idly by, the current Iranian regime can not "win" anything but in having more ammunition for hate-mongering. But unlike the Taliban and al Queda leaders, who are difficult to target, the Iranian power structure are tied to Mosques and Govt. locations.
Offline
This from a news digest I read.
------------------------------------------
# An Attack on Iran: Back on the Table - Joe Klein
In late 2006, George W. Bush met with the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the Pentagon and asked if military action against Iran's nuclear program was feasible. The unanimous answer was no. But when Secretary of Defense Robert Gates told Fox News on June 20, "We do not accept the idea of Iran having nuclear weapons," he was reflecting a new reality in the military and intelligence communities. Diplomacy and economic pressure remain the preferred means to force Iran to negotiate a nuclear deal, but there isn't much hope that's going to happen. So the military option is very much back on the table.
Intelligence sources say that the U.S. Army's Central Command, which is in charge of organizing military operations in the Middle East, has made some real progress in planning targeted air strikes - aided, in large part, by the vastly improved human-intelligence operations in the region. "There really wasn't a military option a year ago," an Israeli military source told me. "But they've gotten serious about the planning, and the option is real now." Israel has been brought into the planning process. One other factor has brought the military option to a low boil: Iran's Sunni neighbors really want the U.S. to do it. (TIME)
See also A Quiet Axis Forms Against Iran in the Middle East - Alexander Smoltczyk and Bernhard Zand (Der Spiegel-Germany)
(NOTE: The smilies and BBCode options are not appearing on the quick post boxes.)
Last edited by mplaut (2010-07-21 14:54:56)
Offline
This is consistent with my information
And we should not forget that there are active anti-govt guerrillas in Iran, aided by "western powers" who are not figments of the Iranian Govt.'s usual delusions. In addition, I expect that there are also agents that have infiltrated Iranian society and their nuclear establishment, that will be key players, if there is an attack.
There has been a change in the region with the Arab neighbors starting off fearing that the retaliation would be worse than the consequences and concept of an attack by their enemy, Israel. In private that had reversed a while ago. Not it is even becoming public. Perhaps this is another ploy to pressure Iran to see that they have no escape except to stop playing their interminable off and on games and to start being reasonable.
My view and I suppose those of many others, is limited because it is not easy to understand the Iranian leadership without understanding both their real beliefs, their strategic internal political situation, and how/if the strong strain of martyrdom and fantasy will lead to decisions that will not be as predictable as we'd expect using our own culturally biased assumptions in calculating the logic.
Offline
Some folks are already there. The USS Truman is a Nimitz Class Supercarrier and makes the 3rd Carrier Task Force there. In addition, on 12 Jun I posted #303 – General & Misc Topics:
June 12, 2010
Saudi Arabia gives Israel clear skies to attack Iranian nuclear sites
Hugh Tomlinson
Saudi Arabia has conducted tests to stand down its air defenses to enable Israeli jets to make a bombing raid on Iran’s nuclear facilities, The Times can reveal.
Art
_________________________
US, Israel Warships in Suez May Be Prelude to Faceoff with Iran
Wednesday, July 21 2010
by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu
Follow Israel news on and .
Egypt allowed at least one Israeli and 11 American warships to pass through the Suez Canal as an Iranian flotilla approaches Gaza. Egypt closed the canal to protect the ships with thousands of soldiers, according to the British-based Arabic language newspaper Al Quds al-Arabi.
One day prior to the report on Saturday, Voice of Israel government radio reported that the Egyptian government denied an Israeli request not to allow the Iranian flotilla to use the Suez Canal to reach Gaza, in violation of the Israeli sea embargo on the Hamas-controlled area.
International agreements require Egypt to keep the Suez open even for warships, but the armada, led by the USS Truman with 5,000 sailors and marines, was the largest in years. Egypt closed the canal to fishing and other boats as the armada moved through the strategic passageway that connects the Red and Mediterranean Seas.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/news.aspx/138164
Ihe Sunday Times, for example, wrote that Israel had sent three German-made submarines to the Gulf with nuclear cruise missiles on board. The 7th flotilla of Zahal – submarines Dolphin, Tekuma и Leviathan – have been in the Persian Gulf before, the newspaper wrote. Now at least one of them will be on duty in the Gulf permanently. The flotilla commander, named only as Colonel O., referred to his submarines as underwater strike forces operating very far from Israel’s borders.
http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/24- … a_israel-0
A decent article on scenarios:
SCENARIOS-Global impact if Israel strikes Iran
Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:21am EDT
By Peter Apps, Political Risk Correspondent
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE62N1CX20100329
Offline
I think debka usually has the latest news right?
Iran would be nuts to go to war, they will be history.
Offline
Former US Envoy To UN John Bolton Says "Israel Has 8 Days To Strike Iran"
Tyler Durden's picture
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 08/17/2010 08:03 -0500
In an interview with Fox Business News, former US envoy to the UN, John Bolton, told the channel that if Israel wants to prevent Iran from acquiring a working nuclear plant, then a military strike must be launched against the Bushehr nuclear power facility within the next eight days. Specifically, Bolton was envisioning the projected August 21 launch date of the nuclear power plant, which Zero Hedge noted previously. According to Bolton, once the Bushehr facility is operational it will be too late for a military air strike against Iran because such an attack would affect too many Iranian civilians due to the spread radiation.
"Once that uranium, once those fuel rods are very close to the reactor, certainly once they're in the reactor, attacking it means a release of radiation, no question about it. So if Israel is going to do anything against Bushehr it has to move in the next eight days."
Bolton simplistic summary is that should Iran launch the reactor, both Israel and the US would be in trouble.
"Iran will achieve something that no other opponent of Israel, no other enemy of the United States in the Middle East really has and that is a functioning nuclear reactor."
Laslty, Russia was portrayed as evil for daring to go with its own national interest, whatever that may be, over that of the US.
"The Russians are, as they often do, playing both sides against the middle. The idea of being able to stick a thumb in America's eye always figures prominently in Moscow."
Regardless, keep an eye out on news developments from the Middle East over the next few days.
from Zero Hedge:
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/former … trike-iran
Offline
I cannot understand why Bolton wrote such an article. Maybe it is to draw attention to himself.
Offline
I think he is on some Fox "News" program.
They thrive on creating controversy. The US Media in general these days, besides being even more insular than they used to be, are more sensationalistic, having to compete with the apparent insatiable appetite for reality shows and real disasters.
And he may believe what he says too.
These people don't lose their job for being wrong as they attract more viewers the more extreme and outlandish their performance. The ultimate sin would be to be boring the audience so that viewers change the channel.
Offline
Stratfor had a very eye-opening analysis of attacking Iran around a year ago. Basically, Iran is a HUGE country - about a third the size of continental United States. It is almost 2500 kilometers from its western to its eastern border. That is a lot of area to cover. It is full of mountains and deserts. There is so much room to hide things that it is almost certainly impossible to hit every important target with 5 or even 50 planes. And you must have superb intelligence it you do not want to just waste your bombs on blowing up rock.
With all due respect to Israeli military prowess, it really seems like the job of attacking Iran is way beyond it.
Now that the US is again making noises about its military option, that may do something.
Offline
I expect an attach, if it ever comes, will include Iranian dissidents and others (lots of commandos) that will be on the ground. I have read about the US funding dissident groups doing what the Iranians would call terrorism for years. Obviously intelligence on the ground will be key to success if there is ever an attack.
Offline
I really don't see the US getting involved in any military action against Iran unless they are setting up to test fire a nuke.
North Korea blew their first test and Iran would have little credibility w/o a successful test.
Preparation for such is relatively easy to see from high res satellites and even if successfully hidden the seismic signature from a nuke underground blast is distinctive and Iran is closely monitored for just such a possibility.
IMHO
JD
Offline